and then panetta said he believed at the time it was a preplanned terrorist atafnlg you can see for people it looks like there's a great deal of confusion there, yes? >> there's always confusion when you have a tragedy of that sort and americans are killed. the bigger, tragedy, though, jon, is we spent all of these months trying to figure out origin of talking points which were cleared at the highest levels of the intelligence community. in my opinion, not enough time doing the service we owe to our fallen colleagues. >> jon: this gets to my point though. this gets to my point. [cheers and applause] i think that's a great point. but this gets to my point. in the leadup to the talking points, there's a lot of people pouring over what you are going to say? c.i.a. is saying take out the word al qaeda put in the word extremists. there's passed up and down the chain to solidify what should be said during that period. that bow correct? >> yes, really over the weekend. >> jon: fascinating conversation. it endedruptlyabruptly>> jon: hf it and then it will be on the web after that. [laughter] there